Editor's note:  These minutes have note been edited.

Below are the minutes for the ISSLL working group meeting in 
Montreal. These minutes and all the presentations should show up on 
the ISSLL server on Monday. See 
ftp://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/pub/issll/IETF/9606/ 




Minutes for the ISSLL WG meetings, June 24 & 25 at the Montreal IETF 

Co-chairs: Eric Crawley & John Wroclawski 

Reported by: Greg Troxel (with many thanks from the chairs) and Eric 
Crawley 

Session #1: June 24, 1996 0930-1130

Eric provided a quick status update on the group. The group was 
officially chartered by the IESG. Coordinators are in place for ATM, 
Token Ring, Ethernet, and Low BW links. Other areas of interest 
include: Frame Relay, SMDS, and Cable Modems

Carsten Bormann gave an overview of the issues related to ISSLOW 
(Integrated Services over Slow/Low BW links). This included the 
relevant work in other WGs and the ITU. The problems for low speed 
links are their speed and blockage from larger frames. Carsten 
discussed the current work on header compression for PPP/IP/UDP/RTP 
as well as some options for suspending/fragmenting larger best-effort 
frames. There was also discussion of applications providing 
compression and QoS hints. 

Fred Burg and Barry O'Mahony followed up with some details on the 
modem technologies involved and the recent ITU standards for 
multimedia modems. 

Carsten came back to discuss some of the issues further. It is pretty clear 
that some of the current compression standards (e.g. V.42) introduce 
delays that will be significant to real time traffic. A scheme for using 
PPP Multilink for suspension and resumption of best effort frames was 
also discussed (Multilink can be used on a single PPP link). 

Carsten summarized by noting that we need to enlist the help of the 
AVT, PPPEXT, and RSVP working groups. People interested in ISSLOW 
activities met with Carsten and others after the WG meeting. 

Wayne Pace presented a draft on Integrated Services over Token Ring 
networks. This was mostly a high level overview that may apply to 
other IEEE 802-style networks. The architecture was based on an IBM 
implementation that utilized Q.933 signalling to start the LAN 
resource reservation process. An allocator approves or rejects requests 
from hosts. The allocator can be centralized or distributed depending on 
the network architecture/needs but there are some issues to be resolved. 
They are wanting to expand this mechanism to use RSVP to trigger the 
LAN resource requests.

Token Ring networks also have source routing and priority mechanisms 
that may be useful to ISSLL.

There was some discussion of the overlap of the allocator with the 
"gatekeeper" function in H.323. The H.323 gatekeeper has hooks to 
access other resource management facilities.


Session #2: Tuesday, June 25, 1996 0900-1130 

John Wroclawski kicked the session off with a request that presenters 
keep things short and provide introductory material only so discussions 
can happen on the mailing list. Questions should be held until the end 
of presentations, if possible.

Raj Yavatkar presented a draft on a Subnet BW Manager (SBM). This is 
somewhat similar to the allocator presented for Token Ring networks 
but uses more RSVP functionality and mechanisms to request resources. 
There are still issues with electing the "Designated Subnet BW 
Manager" DSBM and centralizing vs. distributing the SBM function. 

There was some discussion about the issues for shared network segments 
and getting other hosts to "play along". 

Peter Kim presented a draft on the "Link Layer Resource Management 
Protocol" (LLRMP). This scheme is distributed and independent of the 
higher level protocol and link technology but was designed for demand-
priority networks. It uses soft state with sender initiation and can be 
deployed gradually.

The folks interested in subnet BW managers gathered together later in 
the day to discussion the issues in more detail. The chairs took an 
action item to appoint a coordinator for the subnet BW manager area. It 
is clear that a subnet BW manager is a common element to many shared 
media networks.

Marty Borden presented a draft on ATM Service Mappings. The 
problems of VC Management and Service Mappings cannot be 
completely separated. The draft ignored LANE encapsulation for now 
because of no QoS mechanisms in LANE. The main concentration is on 
the mappings of the service classes. There are lots of parameters 
available and some of them are a bit confusing as to how they map. It 
was noted that some service categories may be used for a variety of 
services. There will need to be a range of options for service mappings 
because not all service categories will be available from vendors and 
service providers. 

Steve Berson presented a draft on the operation of RSVP over ATM 
including some of the VC management issues. Mapping the data flows 
for an RSVP session depends on the level of heterogenaity in the 
receivers. Homogeneous flows can use one VC while flows with limited 
heterogenaity (reserved and best effort) can be mapped to 2 VCs. There 
are some hybrid models that can also be implemented. The next issue is 
how to map the control flows. If the same VC is used, the CLP bit may 
be used to keep from dropping control messages. Multiple VCs may be 
useful for hosts.

Lou Berger presented another draft on RSVP over ATM that he 
believed was complementary to Steve Berson's draft. The draft targets 
UNI 3.x networks and provides a framework without dictating the 
actual data and control management. The framework has data VCs 
established by the source with no reuse of the reverse path and 
receivers accept all incoming VCs. Control VCs use the best effort path 
and VCs. Lou discussed some possible changes to the RSVP specification 
but not to the protocol to adapt some of the APIs suggested in the spec to 
support the end point identification needed in the framework. There 
was discussion of other possible areas of change for RSVP over ATM 
including NHRP QoS, MARS/MCS QoS signalling, variageted VCs, 
and LANE QoS and multicast extensions. It was also noted that VC 
timeout mechanisms as they are specified in RFC1577 could be a 
problem for QoS flows. 

Phillipe Oechslin presented a draft on Application REQuested IP over 
ATM (AREQUIPA). AREQUIPA requires the ATM end point address in 
order to establish direct application VCs, bypassing most of the IP over 
ATM mechanisms. AREQUIPA is viewed as an interim solution for 
application QoS until RSVP over ATM is deployed.

Muneyoshi Suzuki briefly presented on ST-II+ over ATM. The purpose is 
to use ATM as one subnet technology in an end-to-end ST-II+ connection. 
He quickly discussed the use of the existing VCs for control plane 
management while setting up VCs for data flows in response to ST-II+ 
connection setup.


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Minutes of side meetings:

Three side meetings were held for folks interested link level BW 
management, ISSLOW, and ATM. These minutes are/will be available 
on the ISSLL server.

Link Level BW Managment:
ftp://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/pub/issll/IETF/montreal_9606/llbw-mgr-
minutes.text 

ISSLOW: Minutes not available yet

ISATM: Minutes not available yet